Thursday, November 16, 2006

DOWN IN FRONT!


During the Ravens v. Bengals game, I was into it as I normally am. I was up whistling and screaming "DEFENSE" when Cincinnati had the football. And no it wasn’t on third down only. It was on first down and second down too! Even S.A.F.E. Management reps encourage the support.

Sometime during the early part of the second quarter someone who has sat about 8 rows behind me for years stopped by to say hello.

Or so I thought….

He knelt down beside me with a couple of beers in hand and said, “You know I appreciate your enthusiasm but do you have to stand up on first and second down? Can’t you just stand up on third down?”

My reply: “No I can’t. If you want to sit down during the game, you should have stayed home in your living room.”

I meant it.

Screaming at the top of my lungs and whistling at the loudest decibel level possible is hard work. It’s what I do to help my team. I do my best to contribute to the 12th man at The Vault.

Am I wrong?

I didn’t even give a second thought to accommodating my neighbor’s request.

Would you?

23 comments :

Anonymous said...

If the man sits 8 rows behind you, he should not have a problem seeing if you are standing up. However, if you are standing up and are truly blocking someone's view, that is a problem, particularly if the rest of the people in your section are sitting down.

Regardless of the fact you are supporting your team, you have to be considerate of others who have paid for a seat at the stadium. That's why they sell seats and not standing room only space.

Most of my section sits during the game except for crucial third downs and the ushers will speak to you if someone complains that you are blocking their view. So, my advice to you is stay in your seat until everyone else stands up. Otherwise, you may receive a warning from the ushers.

It's like they say, have fun, but don't be a jerk.

Mike Brown said...

I'm with you. I don't have to worry about people behind me so much because I sit in the next to the last row up top in 503. I have had some looks for screaming my head off during the game, but that doesn't faze me.I simply see myself as a better fan than those offended by my cheering my team on. That's what the team wants us to do, and I'm proud to be "The 12th Man"!

Since I've been sitting in those seats I've converted most of the fans around me, as they now scream as loud as I do. My biggest problem is sustaining it. I tend to lose my voice around the 3rd quarter and start to sound like Tiny Tim.

raineman said...

Sounds like anonynous is afraid to spill his wine on his cheese. Take the authors advice and stay home.

Anonymous said...

Stand up or go home! We can help our team by making noise. Stay home and watch it on TV. My section (517) is good about standing up and getting in to it. I've sat down in the "good seats" and it was a lot less fun.

Ravens 24 Falcons 7

Anonymous said...

Stand up and cheer whistle and do whatever. I agree if they want to sit stay at home. The games I get a chance to go to, I don't have to worry about anyone behind me but if I did, Than I would be having the same conversation as you. I would not sit down and only support at crucial times of the game. It wouldn't be so crucial if everyone would support them all along.

Anonymous said...

Stand up or go home ! Save the money on your tickets, and save the real fans the problems.

It's not an upper vs. lower difference. Section 148 is pretty good, but there are definitely sections that aren't. I'm lucky because I'm in the 40th row, but I would go crazy if someone complained and an usher came to talk to me.

The Ravens have one of the top-5 home records in the lague in the last 5 years. The 12th Man is a big part of that. Hopefully, we continue cranking it up the next month or two !!!

Bushleague20 said...

Do people not realize how real the 12th man is in M&T Bank Stadium? Every week, we need to do whatever possible to help our team win. Personally, I think we need to stand and be rowdy on "D" for every play. If you can handle it, sit in the club section!
Ravens 27
Falcons 10

PARavensJeff said...

Tony, I can't stand people like this & this has happened to me before. I have been a season ticket holder since 96 & have had the same seats in Section 504 since 98. My brother & I have 2 seats each in Section 504, 9 rows up. We sit behind the Dali Lama (Tony). The people who sit in the row behind me are constantly tapping my shoulder or grabbing me telling me to sit down. I can't believe this. I tell them if they want to sit on their butt all day, stay home & watch the game on TV. We only have 8 home games a year, & we are excited & ready to go when we have a home game.

Anonymous said...

I sit in 551 and we are just as big as fans as anyone, but there is clearly a time to stand and a time to sit. The fact that you won't accomdate the request because you somehow think your standing (not your screaming) makes one bit of difference makes you an a__hole not a cheerleader. If everyone in your section is clearly sitting (i.e. not 3rd down) then sit and scream. You are interfering with someones ability to enjoy the game that paid for that ability.

Tony Lombardi said...

Mr. Anonymous from Section 551. They warned me about folks like you....

You know you do raise a good point but what if I said I wasn't alone...that there are others down a few rows in front of me that stand and I don't seem to mind them standing.

Plus with my cheering and the shrill of my whistling, would it be best for me to do that sitting just a few feet from the ears of my neighbors just in front of me.

I really and sincerely want to know what fans generally think is proper etiquette.

Anonymous said...

I only get to go to games when someone gives them to me and my wife(who is a huge fan) and we can't sit down at all and when we are home we are up and screaming at the tv(feel sorry for the whole block not just the neighbors) but we'll be at the bufflo game standing and screaming even if it is the last game of the season

Anonymous said...

anon---I do not understand standing most of the game. i bought tickets to sit except for certain times. We have season tickets since the Ravens came to town. Our section (lower) does not stand most of the time---we cheer, yell, and stand up several times during a game. to say stand up or go home to sit and watch the game is rude. I have been in Sections 207, 210, 245, 123, 129, and own also in 512. It hyas been my experience that what I described to be the norm and not what you reported

Go Ravens!

Anonymous said...

It is expected that the crowd will be loud and everyone wants to be a 12th man. It helps our team win.

If you stand up during the game and you are taller than the person standing behind you, you may be blocking a view. Is that fair? I agree with the previous comments that it is rude to say--go home and watch it on TV!! This is not a wine and cheese issue.

Let's use some common sense and not be selfish.

I love my section. We stand when its appropriate, but its not the whole damn game. We scream like hell and have fun. If someone is blocking a view, we yell down in front and usually the person complies. You don't have to scream in a person's ears either. Be considerate and your neighbors in your section will appreciate you better as a 12th man.

Tony Lombardi said...

The Chargers, Panthers and Bengals all used a no huddle offense during their games against the Ravens at The Vault. The Raiders game was rather boring with the Ravens' struggling offense and the Raiders were simply hapless and bumbling.

In my opinion the no huddle is run in part to try and work against the crowd. It is also my opinion that the crowd if they treat every down like third down during the no huddle can help to thwart it.

So I guess the question is, are you louder sitting or standing? I say standing. Voices carry better plus I don't punish my neighbors in front with my piercing whistle directed towards their ears.

The best 12th man has to do what he asks his team to do...give it all you've got. Sorry but to me sitting down doesn't fit that description.

Carry on....

Anonymous said...

Wow!! All I can say is that if Tony was in my section, he would be escorted out by the Baltimore City Police. Rave On!!!

Anonymous said...

Section 101 was horrible during the Bengal game. The Raven fan in front of me would try and sit down but because of his excitement, he would end up standing. I understood that I was at a football game and stood up, as well. The ushers took him out for a talk, which we thought was absolutely ridiculous! His game was ruined because he had to look around and make sure that others were standing before he could stand up.

M&T is the only stadium that I've been to that enforces such a ridiculous rule. The players enjoy when the fans stand up and cheer so it doesn't make sense to me why we wouldn't give that to them. If it didn't make a difference, why would anyone ever get a standing ovation? Lazy fans should stay home and watch it on TV....

Anonymous said...

Tony -
You are completely in the RIGHT! Everyone remembers the affect of the passion and intensity of the Ravens home fans in several key games this year (San Diego, Cincinatti!) You paid for the seats and you are not going against the team, you are rooting for them! Do you think Sports Steve, Bird Man, or Captain Defense gets asked to restrain their passion during the game? Of Course not and neither should you! Tell that lame a** fan to sell his tickets to a REAL fan and he can go watch the game at home or a sports bar because he is not a contributing member of this team, and we all know how much the players appreciate the efforts of the "12th Man". Tell him you know some folks that will take his tickets off his hands so he can watch the game in piece and quiet. I'm looking 2 tickets to any home game and since I am a real fan - I may jsut stand the whole game if I think it is necessary.
Rave On, Tony!
- from Donna in Delaware

Anonymous said...

The defensive players on the field are constantly gesturing to the fans to stand up and get loud. No doubt they feed off of 70,000 rising to their feet. It adds to the intensity. I'm in 142 and we stand most of the game. No complaits. It's taken for granted.

Anonymous said...

I stand every third down without exception. If I feel like standing on other plays I do. This is football!

How about at a concert? Do you expect to go to a concert and have no one standing? This is a rediculous topic!

Pat

Tony Lombardi said...

I have to tell you, I found myself paying more attention to whether or not to stand on first and second down when the Falcons had the ball yesterday. I think it was a combination of this blog topic, trying to do the right thing for the greatest number and the fact that the Falcons did not employ the no-huddle offense.

Oh and one more thing...the crowd seemed nearly as flat as the team in the first half...

Nice comeback though all the way around!

Anonymous said...

My tickets usually come from Ebay, and i have to be selective when buying for the few game a year I go to. Nothing drives me crazier than a dead section with everyone in their seats. What did we all come here for anyway, a peaceful afternoon?

As a former college player, I know maybe 1 and only 1 thing about great defenses. Great defenses stop the run. And stopping the run (which means 1st and 2nd down) has as more to do with heart and intensity than it does with Xs and Os. Why not give our beloved players as much noise and energy as we can muster?

In Baltimore, we as fans have been spoiled. We have watched the most dominating defense in the NFL for 6 or 7 years. Seattle claims to have the best fans in the league, and claims to be the loudest outdoor stadium. To me, that is something we should apsire too. I think we owe it to our boys.

Anonymous said...

What a JOKE ! It's just plain SAD that this even needs to be discussed.....Why don't we all just stay seated, be very quiet, and clap a wee little bit when our Ravens do something well, maybe even pump our fist in the air and say "yipee"!!! But nothing too over zealous because you may displease the "fan" in front or behind you. It's stuff like this that separates great football cities from average football cities. Do you think they are blogging about this in New York or Philly, New England, or Green Bay, or PITTSBURGH??? Give me a break. The Baltimore "fans" that complain about people standing are the same ones who sell their tickets to Steeler Fans, and ultimately don't really care whether the Ravens win, lose, or even exist. They are also the ones who complain the LOUDEST when things aren't going so well......let me tell you all something......WE DON'T NEED YOU! Stay home on your lazy boy, and no one will bother you first, second, OR third down!

Anonymous said...

Yeah, The jerk is the one wearing the Ravens jersey, sitting on their butts. If your not on the edge of your seat, then your taking up too much space. I seem to have this problem at least 3 times a season. I sit in sec. 107, and it never fails, someone is telling me to sit down. Well, my reply is, no I won't, your gonna have to stand up. Of course then the battle begins. After a few adult beverages at our tailgate party, Im not really into arguing with someone over standing, or sitting, Im ready to support our home team, have a good time, and continuing to help out the 12th man. Anyway, STAND UP, CHEER HARD, AND IF THAT'S BEING A JERK,THEN ADD ME TO THE LIST TOO.